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Kate Arrow

From: Brenda
To: Jan
Subject: Kate Arrow

Hi Jan
I came across your site on Waipawa this morning while looking for family history and I found it very interesting and informative but was even more thrilled when I came across the Arrow family name.

I am interested to find out any information I can about Katherine [Kate] Arrow and her
family or possibly a photo of the family. Or a photo of their wedding? A long shot, I know but I thought there maybe something hiding in an attic or someone you know may have a contact or some snippets. Following is a snippet from P.C.A writings I have picked up it reads:

Rev. Philip Cuthbert Anderson married Katherine (Kate) Arrow on 11 Feb 1874 by Rev. Samuel Williams at 11am in the little church in Waipawa. Alice and Nellie were bridesmaids and Charlie Chapman my best man all went off very happily. Breakfast at Mrs Arrow’s.

I am a Great Granddaughter of Rev. Philip C. Anderson, Kate was a younger sister of Dr Richard Todd’s wife, Annie Mary [Arrow]. Kate often visited her Sister before and after she was married to Rev. P.C. Anderson. They lived in Taradale when Philip became the Reverend at All Saint’s Taradale.

After browsing your website this morning I forwarded the contact across to my cousin Naomi in Sydney before I went off to work. We both hope that you may have some time to reply to us both.

Regards

Brenda Moore {nee Anderson}
PS:


From: Naomi
To: Jan
Subject: Kate Arrow

Hi Jan,
I read with interest your article on "The Pines "
While I have much information on my family history my missing Piece is my great grandmother Kate Arrow sister of Annie Arrow Todd .
Kate was born in Waipawa 2nd June 1855... Kate was the third daughter of Henry Arrow of Waipawa
Kate married my great grandfather Reverend Phillip Cuthbert Anderson 11th February 1874 at Waipawa by Rev Samuel Williams .
Kate & Phillip moved to Scone New South Walesdue to Kates failing health where she died in Sparkes Creek Scone on 15th May 1886 she was only 31 years old
Kate is buried in Scone New South Wales Australia .
Grandfather kept comprehensive diaries some 47 volumes during his life which tells of his life & some photo's but amongst all of these I have no photo of Kate or very much information about her ...only what grandfather writes .
Grandfather was a ordained a minister in New Zealand & worked for many years in Hawkes Bay Napier & many other parishes during his time in New Zealand

I was wondering if you could advise me as where I might write to gain more information on Kate & the Arrow family & hopefully a photo of Kate .
I am happy to share the information I have gained from Grandfather's diaries & Reminiscences & also the photo's I have of him & his family ....

My husband & I are looking to coming over to New Zealand It sounds like 2010 is the year !!!

Keep up the great work your site is wonderful
I look forward to hearing from you
Warm Regards
Naomi Baldwin


From: Jan
To: Brenda and Naomi
Subject: Kate Arrow

Hi Brenda and Naomi,

I am sorry you had a bit of problem with the email. I'll have to get the email address checked out - although it did get through in the end- so I'm not sure what the problem was.

Well - the Arrows... a pretty big name in Waipawa back in those early days, along with the Rathbones of course.
William Rathbone married Lissie Arrow(20years his junior and only 17 when she married) who was Henry Arrow's second daughter.
Henry's eldest daughter being Annie who married Dr Todd.
But off-hand I hadn't heard of their sister Kate. So it will be interesting if we can find something for you.- a photo would be excellent!

I am fairly certain there are a few photos of the Arrows (Henry Arrow and maybe a daughter or two???) in the Museum, so I will go down to the museum a little later on and ask Rosheen.

Unfortunately I am waiting this afternoon for someone to drop off some photos to me for another waipawa.com enquiry I'm working on, AND I'm running around in a mild panic getting ready for "the Sculptor of the Year" competition up in Auckland (which I leave to set up my artwork tomorrow). I don't really know if I'm coming or going at the moment!

Anyway... I'll ask Rosheen if she has anything down at the Museum, and if not I'll try asking a friend who is an Arrow/Rathbone descendant if she has anything - I know she's a slightly different branch - but she shares a common ancester with you, being Henry Arrow - and she might have some photos or family stories? Its worth a try anyway...

Sorry I can't be too much help right now - but I promise when things settle down after this exhibition I will turn my brain on and get on to it.

:-) Jan


From: Jan
To: CHB Settlers Museum
Subject: Kate Arrow

Hi Rosheen
I was going to come down to talk to you about this enquiry but I am absolutely flat out getting ready to go to Auckland tomorrow.
I am fairly sure that the Museum has got some photos of the Arrow family- I think I might have even framed one or two down the hallway down there... Although it might be my memory playing tricks on me.
Could you please check out whether there are some photos??? And maybe email them so we can add them to the Arrow enquiry?
I really appreciate any help you can give
Thanks again
Jan


From: Brenda
To: Jan
Subject: Kate Arrow

Hi JAN
Thank you for your quick response -- it seems as though we have to go to the website each time to access your email address I hit reply and it just bounced back to me again.
But I was just letting you know that Henry had 8 daughters

Annie m Todd, Lizzie m Rathbone, Kate m Anderson,Alice m Curtis, Nellie (Ellen) m Hitchings, Florence m Winter(Wynter?) Amy m Hamlin, Maude m Whitelaw. Altogetherhe had 14 children although I think a couple died early.

No rush - just when you've got your feet back down on the ground will be great.

GOOD LUCK WITH THE SCULPTOR OF THE YEAR your work looks absolutely stunning on the website Awesome in fact.

Cheers
Brenda


From: Jan
To: Brenda
Subject: Kate Arrow

Wow!!!
Imagine having 14 children!!!!
I just can't... I thought 3 was a perfect number for me...
Just imagine all those nappies! They didn't have disposables in those days!

How times change

:-) Jan


From: Jan
To: Brenda
Subject: Kate Arrow

Hi Brenda,
Sorry it’s taken me so long to get back to you, but since I've got back from the sculptor of the year thing I've been rushing around trying to catch up on work, Waipawa's 150th celebrations stuff etc... and yesterday I finally had a little time to myself and I was sending off some of the internet enquiries I've been working on recently to get posted on the www.waipawa.com website - and I suddenly realized I hadn't caught up with you.
Did the Museum find anything for you?
If they have, I would really appreciate you sending me a copy of what they sent you so I could include this on the website too.

I was thinking I'd give my friend a ring and see if they have any photos of Henry Arrow and his family (in particular Kate) - but she may not have anything - and it maybe more Rathbone related since she is descended from that sister. Apparently they are having a Rathbone family reunion next year - so who knows - they may have some photos etc at their fingertips?
Hopefully I'll turn up something.
I think Naomi said that she was happy to share some information she gained from your grandfather's diaries... and some photos. I would love to include some of that on the website too, as I have found that sometimes if other branches of your families see it, they will add some of what they have too and it mushrooms into a more complete story.
Unfortunately I seem to have lost Naomi's email address - so could you forward this on to her?

As for the problems you've had with my email address - I'm not sure what's going on, as I haven't had anyone else tell me about this problem. Sometimes people forget to put the d on the end of aged? So my email address is This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. . Hopefully this time you won't have a problem.

:-) Jan


From: Brenda
To: Jan
Subject: Kate Arrow

Hi Jan
Great to hear from you I was only thinking of emailing you this morning myself to let you know that Rosheen did have a photo of Kate taken on Kate's 18th Birthday I think..

Kate Arrow – photo courtesy of CHB Settlers Museum
So I am forwarding that to you along with a copy of Rev. Philip Cuthbert Anderson taken in Christchurch in 1875 while attending a Synod.

We would love you to contact the Rathbone's and see if they have any other photo's that would be great, especially if there was a family one of all the older sisters together along
with anything else. Naomi would be better to put together some snippets re Kate as she has all the diaries of P.C. I have the Reminiscences and will go through those, so I will forward your email and send her this one as well so she knows I have been in
contact with you.
Did I send you the snippet re Kate's Wedding at the Little Church in Waipawa and the reception was held at the Arrow's?
If not let me know and I will send it to you.
When does the 150th Celebrations kick off and is Dr. Todd's house going to be open as well then for viewing? Naomi and I thought we might attend!

hope to hear from you soon
Brenda :-)


From: Jan
To: Brenda
Subject: Kate Arrow

Hi Brenda,
I gave Rosie a ring this morning to see if she had any Arrow info - but nobody was at home, so I'll try again tomorrow.

I'm hoping that the Pines will be part of a guided walk around historic homes in Waipawa (my house will probably be part of it too) and last week Margaret (our local historian) and I went around the St Peter's churchyard and the newer town cemetery to try and work out a cemetery walk of some of the early notable identities in Waipawa. We haven't worked it all out yet - but I'll keep you in touch as to what's happening when.

I just remembered Mum telling me about a little snippet she had of Mrs Henry Arrow - a letter she wrote to the Waipawa Mail way back in Waipawa's early days - It was actually directed in my family's direction(and she obviously didn't think much of the Bibby's) - but I think its a bit of a laugh now.
I'll see if Mum can dig it out and send you a copy.

Its good to have touched base again.
Thanks for those photos
Jan


From: Jan
To: Brenda and Naomi
Subject: Kate Arrow

Hi Brenda and Naomi,

I finally got through to Rosie (a Lissie Arrow descendent) and unfortunately
she has no photos of Lissie, Kate or any of the other sisters - nor of their
father Henry either. But she did say she would ask around her family and
see if any come to light.

So sorry - I've struck out for now - but maybe given time something will
come to light.

Fingers crossed
Jan


From: Brenda
To: Jan
Subject: Kate Arrow

Hi Jan
I maybe able to help you and Rosie out, I made some enquiries a few years back by just writing to Arrow family's from the phone book. A reply came back to me with the following a title of a Book
"Abott's-Ford" A History of Waipawa by Margaret A Gray {ISBN 0-473-00846-7}
This book has a small photo of Henry & Elizabeth Arrow on a Street Map & Census of Waipawa done by Henry in 1867. The original was sighted by him many years ago in the Council Buildings but he thinks that maybe it would now be in the Waipawa Museum.

Henry was School Master {1873} and later {possibly 1892} Town Clerk of Waipawa.
For a short time he was Deputy Registrar of Births, Deaths & Marriages, a Court Clerk and a Bailiff.

Elizabeth died 3 July 1893 .......[is she buried in Waipawa???]
Henry died 27 May 1902 ...... he is buried in St Peters Cemetery [is there a headstone]
also one of their children Ernest Barnham Arrow DOB: 1870 DOD: 1870 [maybe there as well]

I am still in contact with him and will check if Ok to forward you another photo and the tree he sent me. He is a descendant of Percy Barnham Arrow the youngest son of Henry and Elizabeth.

Hope Rosie is able to get a look at a copy. I haven't found a copy yet. But somewhere I do have some photo's he forwarded along with Annie Mary & Dr Todd and Lizzie and William Rathbone.

Lets hope some of the family members may have some photo's hidden away. I know Philip C Anderson saw a family Album with a photo of Katie and her Mum in it {not sure how old she was though} just before they were married. [1873-74]

my fingers are crossed
hope to hear from you soon
Brenda


From: Naomi
To: Jan
Subject: Kate Arrow

Hi Jan,

Nick & I are planning coming over to New Zealand for 150 years of Waipawa in February 2010
We will spend about 2-3 weeks in New Zealand ....

Thankyou again for getting back to us


From: Jan
To: Brenda and Naomi
Subject: Henry Arrow

Hi again Brenda and Naomi,

I told you in an earlier email that my mum had a letter that Mrs Henry Arrow wrote about the terrible Bibbys (my great, great grandparents) and their store.
Well I was wrong. It wasn't Mrs Arrow. It was Henry himself.
And yesterday Mum found the old Waipawa Mail (July 20 1883) and brought it over and I've scanned it. Unfortunately the letter was split over two pages and the paper is old and so has a few little holes and folds in it, making some of it hard to read.
But here it is...

I don't quite understand everything Henry is getting at - especially at the beginning of the article - but defiantly when you get on to the second page you can see him making quite pointed remarks about 'the little store ... which was pulled down to make room for a larger one' is definitely the Bibby store... 'which caused all the other boundaries of the sections of Ruataniwha Road to become disorganized.'
Gee - those Bibby's - thought they owned the place - building big huge buildings or 'palaces' all over the place - obviously with disregard to boundaries - It’s quite a laugh really.

My great, great Grandfather obviously upset Henry Arrow - and probably their paths crossed quite regularly.
Edward Bibby was Chairman of the Waipawa School Board for many years (and was instrumental in getting a school built in Waipawa)... and Henry was a Teacher there.
Edward Bibby was on the Roads Board and also went on to be the first Chairman of the Waipawa Town Board, and then later was Chairman of the Waipawa County Council - and you tell me Henry was the Town Clerk.

I wonder if they ever got on?

Anyway just thought you might be interested in this letter.

J Jan


From: Naomi
To: Jan
Subject: HenryArrow

Hi Jan ,

Great to receive your email... Thankyou so much for sharing with Brenda & I
We are both very keen family History researchers .... .
I have just recently found the final resting Place of Kate Anderson nee ARROW (My great Grandmother )
Nick & I will going up in a few weeks to place a plaqued cross onto her grave & plant a rose .
During my research Kate has always been my passion
.
Her life, with REV Phillip Cuthbert ANDERSON for one so young was quite an arduous one .
Phillip was a very self indulgent man .. of many talents & a great intellect & a short fuse to boot !!!

.
I am lucky to have Great Grandfather's diaries from 1865 until his death in Sydney in 1932 at age 84 As well as his Remieniscences ... which fills the gaps the diaries omit
Together he and Kate lead a hard but full life for her short life dying in Sparkes Creek at age 31 .

If we have anything we can help you with we to are happy to share .

Nick & I are looking forward to coming over in February for the 150 years celebrations ...
Hope we get to meet .
Many thanks for your kindness
Warm Regards
Naomi Baldwin Australia


From: Jan
To: Naomi
Subject: Kate Arrow/150th celebrations

Hi Naomi,

I would love to hear about Kate's life with her husband. It is sad that she died so young.
I am still hoping that we will find more on her earlier life here in Waipawa.

I'm getting quite excited about Waipawa's 150th celebrations in 2010 too. The main day you need to aim for is February the 13th. This is the day when most of the celebrations are going to be happening.

Starting off with a Grand Parade. There are going to be vintage and classic cars and motorbikes, horsedrawn wagons, floats, people dressed in costume of Waipawa through the ages and bands etc... I'm not sure of the route the parade is taking yet - but its going to end up at Coronation Park (which is the rugby park opposite the Pines. Then there is going to be an old fashioned gala day - with olden day events such as egg and spoon races, sack races, tug of war etc and stalls too.

The Museum is organising showings of some historic short films taken by one of Waipawa's film-makers of the past, and other films showing episodes of Waipawa's history.

And in the evening we're having the unveiling of our new band rotunda and children's playground down at our other park - ending up with a free community concert (using the band rotunda) where people can relax and enjoy a picnic - or get up and dance the evening away.

There are going to be other events throughout the year - sporting, cultural and rural events - including a big street cycle race... and a Ball in October.

We are also hoping to have a guided walk around some of our historic homes (including the Pines and probably my place amongst others), and a guided cemetery walk too -although the dates for these have not been set yet.

I hope you can make it - I think its going to be a lot of fun

J Jan


From: Naomi
To: Jan
Subject: Kate Arrow/150th celebrations

Hi Jan,
I will go through the diaries & put together what I can ....On Kate & her life ...

WE have already booked time off work for that period (13th Feb 2010) so as to be in Waipawa for the Celebrations my cousin Brenda & her husband are coming up to join us for a few days & then we will return to Christchurch.

Phillip Cuthbert Anderson also has a big association with All Saints Church at Taradale Napier .
One of his children is buried there & Phillip designed & oversited the building of the original church & was Minister there for a period .

The celebrations sound like they will be wonderful ... to come over for a holiday was great but to now be part of historical celebrations is a bonus ....
The films will be most interesting ... connecting the History is such a wonderful thing .
I hope to be able to at least see "The Pines" while in Waipawa ... but to be able to wander the grounds & see part of our family history would be absolutely wonderful .

We will be there Jan ... We look forward to meeting you & thankyou again for your generosity in sharing
Warm Regards
Naomi


From: Brian
To: Jan
Subject: Arrow Family/Waipawa 150 years

Hello Jan,

Regarding the Kate Arrow enquiries link on your web page, I am the person who sent information about Henry Arrow, (Settled in Waipawa 1867), and his family to your enquirer Brenda Moore as mentioned in one of her emails to you.  Therefore thought I should let you know that I will be attending the 150 yr celebrations next Saturday with my wife and sister and will bring all the information I have about Henry Arrow and his family (including his family tree) should any one be interested.  Henry's youngest child, Percy, is my grandfather.

I am looking forward to seeing any photos of the Arrow family that the museum may have and any information.  I also hope to see again the original 1867 Census Map of Waipawa that Henry drew.  I was shown it over 30 years ago when I enquired at what was then the local County Council Offices.  From memory it was at least A3 size and was in a glass case or frame.

If possible, I would like to contact your friend Rosie (a Lissie Arrow descendent) as I have a little bit of info about the early days of the Rathbone property "Abbotsford".  Henry's 2nd son Charles worked on the property for 30 years in the late 1800's.  I would also like to talk with her about the Rathbone family.

We will be staying at a motel in Waipukurau on Friday evening and returning home on Saturday evening.

On Saturday I will be sharing my wife's cell phone 021-1575607.

I have told Brenda Moore that I will be at the celebrations.

Looking forward to a fun day.

Kind regards
Brian Arrow


From: Jan
To: Brian
Subject: Arrow Family/Waipawa 150 years

Hi Brian,

Its really fantastic that you're coming to the 150th celebrations! I would love to hear  and see some of your research - but on Saturday I'm pretty tied up with the parade, historic walk, and organising Picnic in the Park in the evening. - I'll be free of 150th committments on Sunday - at least for a while - but it sounds like I might miss you since you're going back on Saturday night (unless you go on the historic walk)

But the museum is going to be open all day Saturday so I am sure they would love to see you. And I'll forward this on to Rosheen to give her advanced notice that you will be about. They still have the census map - and you're right it is fairly large - but a fantastic record of the town at that time.

I'll also forward you email to Sally Butler - who is writing a family history for the Rathbones - as they are having a family reunion sometime this year.

I haven't got Rosie's personal email address. She owns and runs Lime Rock Wines here in Waipawa. You could try emailing her there.

Hopefully this is some help

:-) Jan



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